There’s a little report in today’s DNA about yesterday’s excitement. Given there are space constraints and DNA is a newspaper rather than a place where I pontificate, what’s in the paper is a report of what happened at Girish Karnad’s session at Tata Literature Live! yesterday. Since this, on the other hand, is a place where I’m allowed to be self-indulgent, here’s a ramblier version.
Oh, and I haven’t had the chance to put up yesterday’s diary and neither have I got down to putting up the notes taken in past sessions. Now added to that backlog are the notes from Karnad’s session.
There’s nothing like a literary feud to make a literature festival buzz. It was supposed to be an hour-long “masterclass” by playwright Girish Karnad and ended up being 45 minutes of fireworks at the end of which Tata Literature Live!’s festival director Anil Dharker was fuming and author Farrukh Dhondy’s red face made it clear that he was not amused. Instead of speaking about his plays, Karnad presented a lecture that attacked Nobel laureate VS Naipaul for being anti-Muslim, tone deaf and unreliable writer of non-fiction as far as India is concerned.
Karnad asserted that Naipaul “has no idea of how Muslims contributed to Indian history.” He questioned the authenticity of Naipaul’s non-fiction writing in India and said Naipaul’s ideas are simplistic. “He really doesn’t pay much attention to the details of the texts he studies.”
Much of what Karnad said has been said before by Naipaul’s critics, like William Dalrymple who wrote a long piece outlining the flaws in Naipaul’s arguments about Indian history in 2004. From Naipaul’s problematic retelling of the fall of Vijaynagar (in 1565) in A Wounded Civilization to the author’s disenchanted reaction to the Taj Mahal, it’s all there in Dalrymple’s piece. This doesn’t mean it doesn’t bear repeating. Karnad described Naipaul’s insistence upon “villainising Islam’s followers” as a limited perspective that was extremely problematic. “You couldn’t make these statements about Jews in America, you couldn’t make these statements about blacks in America,” he said. “But you can make them about Muslims in India.”
Naipaul was awarded the Landmark Literature Live! Lifetime Achievement Award earlier this week. Karnad questioned the festival’s decision to do so and asked how the festival justified valorising him despite Naipaul’s many anti-Muslim sentiments and the author leaning towards the right-wing in the matter of the demolition of Babri Masjid in 1992. “Naipaul has continued to defend his remark, saying ‘I have always said that Babri Masjid is justified’,” said Karnad. “My question is to organisers who keep giving him lifetime awards as though what he has to say about a large section of the Indian population, about a whole rich period of Indian history which was our glory, doesn’t matter.”
The answer that was supplied by Dharker was predictable: Naipaul has a body of work that includes examples of excellent writing and some of it includes opinions that are “contrary”, but that doesn’t reduce their quality. The fact that Naipaul can indeed write exquisite sentences — sharp, precise and filled with images — is well-known and endlessly repeated. No one is debating that. The question that, to my mind, is worth asking is whether his “contrary” opinions are provocative or offensive. Contrary to popular usage, the two are not interchangeable. They have very different meanings. To be provocative is to provoke, which means to stimulate a strong reaction. It’s the basis of most great art (novels, films, paintings; the jing-bang lot of them) — they seek to engage the audience in a debate and leave them wondering. To offend, on the other hand, is a far blunter, cruder act. You’re simply annoying or hurting someone.
If Tata Literature Live!’s powers that be believe Naipaul’s “contrary” views are provocative, then bravo, because Naipaul has (as usual) sparked a debate. Whether by design or accident, this festival deserves a big cheer for giving space to conflicting opinions. Karnad, however, is of the camp that believes that Naipaul is simply offensive. He is not alone in this even though it seemed that way at the end of his talk when audience members flung at him comments and questions like, “Are you jealous of Naipaul that he won the Nobel?” and “We came to hear you talk about theatre and not the Babri Masjid”. One lady reprimanded Karnad for picking on one statement made by Naipaul (after the demolition of Babri Masjid) and going on and on. Poor dear couldn’t have known he’d spoken eloquently about a variety of subjects before bringing up that statement; she’d been dozing through the talk. I remember this vividly because I couldn’t believe someone could actually sleep through Karnad’s speech.
I’ve seen Karnad acting only in films, but yesterday was an electric performance. When he went on stage, no one would have imagined what he was about to spring upon us. He seemed casual, a distinguished old man of 75 who was cheerfully perplexed that he’s supposed to talk about his life and his work. “How boring!” he exclaimed and we giggled. Of course, he knew exactly what he was doing. He was softening us up, talking about how Indians have terrible dress sense and hideous aesthetics in clothes; about how music is the art form of contemporary times and how we can always tell when someone’s off tune. When Karnad said he had concluded from the fact that there is no mention of music in any of Naipaul’s books on India, that the Nobel laureate is tone deaf, everyone laughed. No one realised that was just the beginning of an erudite and devastating attack on Naipaul’s politics.
Some of us have read what is supposed to be the text of Karnad’s speech, but if you were there, then you know that he strayed from the script, and gloriously at that. Karnad disregarded the structure of the script and cheerfully wandered towards tangents, gave a wonderful retelling of the fall of Vijaynagar, spoke about Arabic influences in Carnatic music. He read out emails from people who questioned how authentic Naipaul’s non-fiction writing is, he quoted a statement Naipaul had made about the demolition of Babri Masjid. He read out what Naipaul had said about the Taj Mahal — “the Taj is so wasteful, so decadent and in the end so cruel that it is painful to be there for very long. This is an extravagance that speaks of the blood of the people” — and quipped that this is why Naipaul got the Nobel. Regular people just marvel at the beauty of the structure, he said. Karnad wasn’t measured the whole time. He barely stopped short of suggesting Naipaul got the Nobel only because 9/11 led to a surge of anti-Islamic sentiment which made the timing perfect to give the award to a rabidly right-wing author. But if you look at the script and you recall Karnad’s final words, you’ll see one important distinction: Karnad focussed on Naipaul’s work. No mention of Augustus, the cat; no pronouncements about whether or not Naipaul is obnoxious. Karnad was thoroughly professional. A playwright, author and Rhodes scholar (who studied Philosophy, Political Science and Economics) presented a critique of the ideology articulated in the works and statements of an award-winning novelist. It was a fight between equals.
Not that people in the audience felt that way. Dharker attempted to rap Karnad’s knuckles by saying it wasn’t polite of Karnad to use the platform the festival had provided him like this, Karnad replied, “I don’t have to be polite. I’m following in the footsteps of Naipaul.” Farrukh Dhondy, who was also in the audience, said that this seemed to be one of those court rooms where only the prosecution can talk and the defence can’t get a word in. Except of course the “defence” had more than an hour on 31st October, when Naipaul was given the lifetime achievement award, and no doubt many newspapers and magazines will be more than willing to give Dhondy space in their pages to defend Naipaul. It doesn’t take a crystal ball to know what lies ahead. Dhondy will argue that Naipaul is misunderstood and that Karnad tried to connect dots that are disconnected. One can only hope that Dhondy will show Karnad the respect that he showed Naipaul and construct an attack that is as intellectually solid.
If on the other hand Tata Literature Live!, and perhaps Dhondy, believe Naipaul’s contrarian views are simply offensive, then there’s no need to debate and they’re fully justified for feeling huffy that Karnad ran away with their show. Though in that event, someone spare a thought for Karnad, who at 75, expended much thought and energy on a bunch of words that matter as much as insults flung by vicious children in a playground.
Was MF Hussain/ V S Naipaul offensive or provoking with few of his paintings/statements? Do the yardsticks remain unchanged for both of them?
i was taken aback by the ‘criticism by hearsay’ Karnad employed. It was a rant, not a considered response to Naipaul’s work. As a result GK discredited himself a little. “So and so said this Naipaul stopped talking to him” “I heard this etc.” This is not an adequate response, and Anil Dharker made this point too. If Karnad wishes to be taken seriously, he should engage Naipaul’s actual writings, not indulge in fulminations that get him lots of attention with a middlebrow audience who, in any case, need to be trained to read closely. Karnad should use this opportunity to raise his game, in other words. Naipaul has a very considerable body of writing; he did not build his reputation by posturing in front of crowds hungry for distraction. (To his credit, Naipaul left off becoming an attention-whore until he proved himself a major artist. The same cannot be said for Mr. Karnad).
SM, you seem to be under the misconception that MF Husain and VS Naipaul are interchangeable names. They are not. I’m not sure what “yardsticks” are and whether indeed there is any such thing as a yardstick for provocation, but that’s a secondary matter. I assume you’re trying to equate Husain’s paintings of nude Hindu goddesses with Naipaul’s ideological bias. I’m not sure how Husain’s depictions qualify as provocative or offensive given Hindu art has traditionally depicted gods and goddesses in the nude.
John, I don’t think Girish Karnad needs to do anything (let alone provoke Anil Dharker or VS Naipaul) to be taken seriously. Don’t forget, there was a packed auditorium for Karnad and this was before anyone knew the fireworks that would follow. And perhaps you should consider being trained to read closely before attacking others’ ability to do so because Karnad’s talk quoted extensively and repeatedly from Naipaul’s body of writing on India. In fact, Karnad engaged with Naipaul’s writing and public statements; nothing else. If you choose to not acknowledge those significant chunks of his speech, then that’s your decision. No one has the right to interfere with your decision to blinker yourself.
One of Karnad’s grouse seems to be Naipaul’s ignorance of music -specifically Islamic influence of music in India. Karnad also tries to equate Naipaul’s criticism of Islam and Islamic influence in India to Indian Muslims. That is of Karnad’s own making.
Karnad’s indignation at Naipaul getting literary awards because he questions Islam and its influence , when he himself admits Naipaul to be “one of the greatest writers of our generation”,is flimsy.
Does this seem “intellectually solid” (I am not sure what you mean, assuming you mean intellectually grounded) to you or are you being too enamoured by his eloquence or theatrical performance?
Karnad was very clear that he was talking specifically about India and the Islamic influence upon Indian history and culture. Consequently, he made references to statements and writings by Naipaul about India and its history; not about Islam in general. If anything, your equation is one of your own making.
No, I meant intellectually solid. As in an argument that doesn’t has an unwavering form and structure.
Given I’ve written a post of more than 1000 words, clearly what you think is flimsy is not at all flimsy in my point of view. And if you think that I’m such a bimbo that I’d simply gush because I was enamoured by someone’s eloquence or theatrical performance, then why waste time attempting a debate?
Deepanjana, sorry to burst your bubble, but Hindu art has NEVER depicted Gods in the nude. The images on Ajanta/Elora/Konark were of Yakshas and Apsaras, NOT of Gods. Get some knowledge of things before you speak.
I suggest you actually see ancient Hindu art and then comment. Shiva and Parvati from Ellora: http://cdn1.images.touristlink.com/data/cache/E/L/L/O/R/A/C/A/ellora-cave-shiva-parvati-ravana_700_0.jpg
Evidently from your post – how you repeatedly gush about his eloquence, “electric performance”, how he went “boom” – it might be a possibility that you are influenced by the delivery rather than the content. And no, I do not have an opinion whether you are a “bimbo”.
I still do not understand Karnad’s indignation at Naipaul getting literary awards.
If it would have been a Bharat Ratna or a Padma Bhushan, I would have. Naipaul’s literary genius is undoubted. Karnad admits that fact. His rant therefore seems opportunistic and petty.
Naipaul is not a trained historian and hence might have been mistaken in discussing particular events in our history. But the crux of the matter here is the question of “benign” nature of Islamic conquest, invasion. As a child I visited temples at Hampi, Ellora, Lepakshi, Warangal each of which were invariably damaged by marauding Islamic armies in the name of punishing “idolatry / shirk”. Hinduism gets bad rap all the time for its supposed role in laying foundations for the oppressive, discriminatory caste system. It’s all fine by me. It is indeed a regressive tradition which deserves condemnation.
But what about those parts of Islam which are regressive? Don’t people like Naipaul have the right to criticize the bigoted prejudice, contempt that monotheists have towards polytheism and idol worship, the uncontrollable urge of Islam to “civilize” the Kaffirs and wipe out entire cultures around the world? (Zoroastrians in Persia, Buddhists in AfPak, Hindus / Buddhists in Malaysia, Indonesia) They destroyed all those beautiful sculptures just because their prophet said it was bad. Is it not bigotry at its peaks? Why do people make such a fuss about “Islamophobia” when we point out regressive things in Islam? Does any Hindu call Ambedkar a “Hinduphobe” for criticizing Hinduism? Ambedkar did pick and choose in his treatises on Hinduism to portray it in bad light. But it is all fine and dandy for the likes of Karnad and you. But the moment anyone does something remotely critical about Islam, his scholarly reputation is called into question, and awards and honors are called for to be stripped. Honest people like Naipaul don’t have to worry about being PC unlike that pontificating preacher Karnad.
If Naipaul felt confident enough to write three books and one essay on Indian history, then he has no business making mistakes.
Of course Naipaul has the right to criticise and he has exercised that right repeatedly. Similarly, Karnad exercised his right to criticise.
Incidentally, no one is saying Mughals didn’t invade India or destroy temples. It’s historical fact that they did, just as it is historical fact that they contributed immensely to what we consider Indian culture today. Including the way Krishna is drawn in traditional Nathdwara paintings, for instance. Ignoring one aspect and focusing on the other makes is like poking oneself in the eye deliberately.
And the Mughals didn’t destroy temples because “their prophet said it was bad”. They destroyed temples to establish themselves as victors and to instil fear, much like how different Hindu kings belonging to different religious sects did at certain points in history.
Not quite sure how Ambedkar came into this, but you’ve just managed to tick all the boxes for characteristics of the right-wing conservative. Congratulations.
The BS about Hindu kings destroying Hindu temples is a pack of lies peddled by left wing historians to whitewash the misdeeds of the likes of Aurangazeb. The chronicles maintained by the court historians of the invaders themselves speak in an unashamed grandiose manner of the “thousands of idols that were desecrated, and Kaffirs converted”. Read this to know more about the lies peddled in India for the sole purpose of whitewashing history:
Ambedkar example is very relevant because he criticized Hinduism sometimes rightly so and somethimes by misrepresenting it. But even the most radical Hindu doesn’t hold grudge over him and nor calls for his honors to be stripped. Then why do all sorts of self-proclaimed experts attribute an ulterior racist motive only when it is Islamic culture of iconoclasm that is criticized, as in the case of Karnad’s rant.
@Deepanjana: Alright, I might’ve been wrong in that. But your comment on Anand being a “right-wing conservative” without ANY valid basis for that observation, reveals your bias.
You don’t have an answer to his point about Radical Islamism. Congrats for qualifying as an extreme left wing loon, the kinds of which cry foul over Gujarat but seal their lips over the ethnic cleansing of Kashmiri Pandits.